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[mindseer]

[No awful text today. Everyone who decided to engage the troll was going to be spared that, mostly because she wanted clarity and thought this was important enough to really start getting into. The video kicked in, in the common room over at Mimirhaus on a quiet day, now a few days after the celebrations and the first attempts at a barbeque that this place had managed. She was in a black t-shirt with some pants and her blindfold was on, because fuck it. She didn't need it off to talk and she wasn't in the mood to compromise everything for style. Besides, if she was going to talk about justice? Might as well be blind.]

So, everyone get your fill of roasted oinkbeast and moobeast? We get the streets cleaned up of all that nice, sweet cherry smell? Right, lovely. You guys can settle up with Odin about that whenever you feel like. I said my peace.

[Ahem] Thing is, the other night? That totally proved what I've been saying to a few of you. These people? They're really green to the whole idea of 'rules.' And, as much as I love a nice bit of freedom and chaos now and again, there's gotta be some common sense about this. Funny thing about common sense? Totally not common. Totally not the same in different worlds.

I'm pretty sure of something, though. The folks in charge here? They're not setting those rules for the locals, and the locals aren't setting them for themselves. So, guess who's left? [She pointed at the screen and then at herself.] Yep, that's right. Either we come up with something and toss it at Odin and the others, see how they take it, or "Let's all slaughter an oinkbeast cause that sounds fun" over there's going to be the one setting it with whatever great idea flashed between their hear ducts today.

So, we can talk defense. We can talk religion [Her lip curled in distaste at that]. But before this happens again, we need to talk Laws. Preferably now, when it's just a couple moobeasts. I don't pretend Alternian Law's going to be the best way to handle things here. In fact? [snort] Pretty glob-damned sure it won't work here. But some ground rules need to get set, and soon.

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[sanityinruins]

That is something I have mixed feelings over. I understand we need to tell these people how to be human but on the other hand it opens the possibility of having far too many people screeching about what is right and not enough saying that we must moderate.

[mindseer]

[Well, if he was going to do text, then she'd do it right back, though Ye Zun was getting that awful color like it or not.]

We don't need to tell them how to be human.
They're just fine at being little fleshy sacs of humanness.
Besides, you don't want a troll telling humans how to human.
That never goes well.

But we do need to have an idea of a sort of baseline of what laws there should be.
You know, so that we're not dealing with people screeching about what's what and there's a set of rules that are this place's rules.
They don't even have that.

[sanityinruins]

[ He doesn't really flinch at the color or typing quirks, but then again he had to deal with a guy's idea of texting without anything but floaty smoke signals so this is a cake walk. ]

I doubt they would notice but the other humans around here might.

A baseline of where to draw the line I suppose is a good idea. I really have no boat in this race except not liking the mess. I think what may end up getting people annoyed is the idea of having actual rulers to enforce these laws since the gods seem to find everything we do fascinating.

[mindseer]

I don't really care about dead moobeasts.
Can't make a grubsteak without cutting up a few grubs.
This isn't really about "Rulers" or "Kings."
They've got Odin and I don't think they need anything to replace him.
But if the gods find us so damned fascinating maybe if we bring them some helpful hints on how to set up rules they might listen?
And then the locals can set up a courthouse and they can all play law and order or something.

If it gets just a modicum of order out of this colossal mess I'm in favor of it

[sanityinruins]

I understand a lot of people do; I find it just messy and that it should be done where it won't splatter over those who are not inclined to be painted in blood.

[ Or those who no longer can get rid of blood stains by waving his hand. Ugh. What a pain. ]

They might. I have yet to make the one to stop wearing his hanfu wrong. But fine. We should settle on some laws. For instance: no murdering people, I guess. Learn animal husbandry.

[skittering]

❰ he wanted to do text, but her texting is unreadable so here he is, just two eyes poking out of a hood in front of the dim backdrop of asgard's forest. ❱

What makes you think they'll listen?

[mindseer]

[Oh hi there, eyes. Yep. She's unreadable and proud as hell of it.]

Well, if we're talking the gods? I'm pretty sure they're willing to listen. To do? Not so sure there.

If we're talking about the people here? If the gods get on board, the natives probably will to.

So, I guess this is about figuring out a plan to come to the gods with?

[skittering]

I meant the people. ❰ but he's just clarifying - she already answered either way. the natives do seem to follow whatever the gods seem to want. ❱

Do you have a plan? Or are you just the one who tells people they need a plan? ❰ it's a little dry, but more in the vein of flat-toned sass than criticism. ❱

[mindseer]

In fairness? I don't have a well defined plan. If I did, I'd totally be laying this out for all of you now, but I'm not going to go in half cocked and pretend I know 'what' needs to be done so much as I know something needs to be done.

My plan, right now, is to get all of us talking and hopefully talking with the gods and native. Hammer something sensible out and then see if they'll sign on. So, I have the start of a plan, but not a full plan yet.

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[theprezident]

[ UNSURE ... ]

Why don't we just ... bring that idea to the natives? We're just temporary citizens. If there are going to be any laws, they should be the ones who make them. Obviously we can help them with the talks, but ultimately ...

[mindseer]

[She sighed. Part of her knew that there'd be an issue here. She wasn't trying to take over or anything like it, but she 'got' why this might be a concern. Them foisting their sensibilities or rules on natives not willing to take them up. But, she was ready for it.]

So, first of all, I'm totally not trying to say "We need to run this joint." Like you said, some of us are just here for the short term, even if a few of us have no plans to leave period. But, while I'm absolutely peachy keen about them using their old think pans to come up with their own system, they're totally and absolutely not doing that right now.

Whoo hoo! We want more oink beasts! Lets paint the town red with their blood so the god will notice!

They're not quite 'up' to thinking about this much. They're kind of along for the ride. I don't want us to suggest any laws they aren't also ok with, but they haven't really shown themselves to be the most... forward thinking, and the gods seem content to just see what we do, and what they do. So, I don't see the harm in us coming up with ... I don't know, maybe some suggestions that we bring to the natives and the gods. See if it floats their boat. Negotiable stuff, you know?

[theprezident]

Okay, cool. For a bit there it just sounded like you suggested we leave them out of it completely. And, I don't know, this is a thing people used to do, even if they got a bit overexcited. It was a bit messy - or a lot messy - but still very ... What's the word?

[ He scrunches his face in thought. ]

Purposeful? They probably thought and talked about it extensively before they actually went through with it.

[mindseer]

Yeah, no, I get it. I've got a few people I know that would totally have done that back home. Just so we're abundantly clear? I don't want to run shit. Nope, not me. You give me laws, I'll happily help enforce them. Totally don't wanna be in charge of anything.

It's the lack of order and the fact that the gods aren't doing anything to guide them that's driving me bonkers. It's like they actually expect us to do something, and ... yeah, here we are, covered in blood and scratching our heads ya know?

[She grunted and scratched her head.]

Maybe they did. I'm not so sure, but maybe they did. Thing is that I do know it's a small town right now. They don't need judges and bailiffs and legislacerators or lawyers. They'd probably get by with just a magistrate or two, a couple deputees and maybe the gods doing the judgy thing. That'd be fine, if they actually purposefully sat down and did it.

What I kind of want to do is, I don't know, get a few of us together or all of us. Talk about "Hey did this work for you guys? What does everyone think murder is?" and sorta hash out a few helpful hints so we can offer it to them. See if it sticks to the old dart board?

Is that crazy?

[Maybe a little. Her thought process wasn't that organized yet.]

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[enflame]

( He's gone through the other comments too, taking in every thing. Society is...really complex. Or maybe the problem is that he's never been aware of what makes up one, just taken advantage of the fact he's just been born into pre-set civilization. )

What do you think happens if the natives don't want to adhere to any laws? Or the Gods don't seem interested in implementing them?

Not to mention how long it could take. If people want to come up with laws, what do we do in the meantime?

[mindseer]

[So lucky, not starting from the ground up. This place made one envy that sort of thing. Terezi found herself envying her own past culture.]

So, we're kind of lucky. They're not usually blood-crazed, moobeast slaughtering nutjobs. So, if we have to play the waiting game, hopefully it won't be a problem. Hopefully.

If they won't agree to anything? Well, we're rolling the dice, and I don't like my odds with dice.

[enflame]

( It's not really that inspiring or hopeful. Pragmatic, if anything. The tone makes him more nervous, considering just how real some ugly possibilities might be. )

I think the Gods should be on our side...the ones I've spoken with seem attached to us. Who knows what all they could do if the natives don't find any rules agreeable.

( This next part is whispered, as if the Gods could hear him -- maybe they can. ) ...But doesn't that mean they could also do whatever that would be to us, if we make them angry somehow?

[mindseer]

They seem to be on our side, yeah, for the most part. Might not want what we personally want, but they seem on our side. [She grunted.] But I'm not really one to want to suggest unreasonable stuff. Can't believe I' saying this, but I'm just thinking common sense stuff.

Only Common Sense in't so common.

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[ragnarsson]

Considering quite a few things at home generally warrant murder if committed, and the soft hearts around here won't even allow a few animals to be slaughtered, they very likely will say no to such an idea as well.

[He sounds quite surly about that idea probably being shot down as soon as it's introduced. Sometimes, murder really is the best policy.]

[mindseer]

[She bobbed her head briskly.]

Right now, the problem seems to be "Don't they have rules already," which they don't exactly. They have gods, who could punish if they had a reason. There's no sort of rules to speak of, that I know. There's also a few who think I'm suggesting something like a king, which I totally am not. I don't think we should do anything like that, not if any of us could disappear.

[ragnarsson]

Agreed on no kings. Not unless we want to create a true war here.

[Ivar's seen enough of what can happen when everyone wants to rule just enough in his own family.]

What we need simply is a list of rules, consequences, and those to enforce them. The gods might help on the last point or they might consider our petty little squabbles to be beneath their notice.

[mindseer]

And let's not mince words. We don't need a king who might go 'poof' back to their world. Period. I totally want to stick around, but we can't guarantee that I won't. Nobody can. So, if they're going to get a King it should be one of them or their gods.

If they're beneath their notice, we can see if the natives will play along regardless. But I'm hoping they'll listen.

[hikikomori_king]

I wonder, if we should ask Odin about that. Perhaps they have laws of their own...

[mindseer]

We're going to have to do that eventually. We can't exactly force this on the natives, and I totally don't think that's a good idea anyway.

But, I'm pretty sure we've pinned down the answer for now. They barely have a militia. They don't have any sort of magistrate. The rules amount to "What Odin and his kids say."

[hikikomori_king]

Hm. [ He considers ]

Do you get the impression that Odin and his folk have established laws of their own?

[mindseer]

No. I don't think they've even considered them. I mean, did you see how they reacted to the moo beast thing? No, I don't think they've put any together. I'm sure they'd do it as a reaction, but do we want to react with some of these things?